Thread: dom_canalzone_b2

None of that is really possible with the HUD. It has slots for text, but it's using 4 of them for the percentages already there (out of 5). They're good ideas, but they need to be fleshed out by Valve (or at least there needs to be documentation on the HUD more besides what there is... ie, close to nothing)

I've decided to go with a system where blue can spawn on their side of the map and red can spawn on theirs, minus the fountain and small warehouses, which are more "central". Any team can spawn in those.

So, it will be:

Blue spawn locations (if they have those CP's):
BLU Base
Arch Room
Library

RED spawn locations (if they have those CP's):
RED base
Boathouse
Balcony

Overlapping spawn locations:
Fountain
Small Warehouse

Keep in mind that if an enemy is present within the spawn area, players won't spawn there. Fountain/Small warehouse overlap because if RED were to have fountain it would definitely unbalance the map if they got fountain.

This spawn change SHOULD allow for some sort of "fronts" to establish even if one team has CP's in the other's "side" of the map. It should also make games closer.

I wasn't really proposing anything complicated in terms of what the HUD shows. I just think slightly different information should be presented.

How about showing:
1. Percentage of territory owned by each team
2. A descending number for each team which, when it reaches zero, leads to victory for the other team

One or both of those could be presented in the game, and the other could be presented as text in the HUD.

Also, please make it so that the players only spawn at their home base. Engineers with teleporters can be used to get slow players to the front if that is desired. We can host a test map like that and do a direct comparison if you like.

I think it would be better to have players spawning only in their home base.

If you give Blu the Library/Arch Room they'll have quick access and the high ground on Fountain with quick access and control of most of the entrances to Arch Room. Plus both those flags reinforce each other quickly so if Red attacks Library the Blu team will respawn in Archway and be back within seconds. Compare that to Red where if Blu attacks Balcony Red reinforcements respawning in Boathouse will get beaten to the flag by Blu players spawning in Library.

So that means if I allow red to spawn at fountain if they capture it, it would probably balance the arch/library thing (again that's assuming blue has both anyway). Doing it half and half actually is the best way after all then.

There are only about 4-8 spawn points at each CP per team. There is a lot more at the base, so the chances of spawning there are already a lot higher.

As I said, I don't want everyone spawning there because it'll just encourage spawn camping. This is a good compromise, because it doesn't put you on the other team's "side" of the map away from others on your team.

You make a good point about Library and Fountain. I don't really want spawn locations in the warehouses only because they're kind of out of the way, and are better left to strategy in taking them rather than people spawning there.

I think perhaps the best solution could be to have possible spawn points for blue at Small Warehouse / Arch Room, and red at Balcony and Boathouse. They seem to be the most "even" pairs without assigning any team an advantage if they have either fountain or library. Boathouse could be said to not have as easy access to something like Library, but boathouse can easily undermine arch room.

Ok, here is the specific change in my readme:

-Changed spawn locations to be team specific if they hold certain points. Blue has 8 spawn points at Arch Room and Small Warehouse in addition to 16 at main base (ONLY if those CP's are captured). Red has 8 spawn locations at Boathouse and Balcony (ONLY if those CP's are captured) as well as 16 in their base.


I really think this will help balance it out some and not make it seem like people are coming from random locations. These areas are closely tied with each base. It also means that there shouldn't be any spawn camping. Honestly though, spawn camping of the base really shouldn't happen at all since it has 4 exits, but this adds another layer to it.